{"id":998,"date":"2007-06-30T23:51:00","date_gmt":"2007-06-30T23:51:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/janaremy.com\/?p=998"},"modified":"2007-06-30T23:51:00","modified_gmt":"2007-06-30T23:51:00","slug":"whos-gonna-teach-us-to-tango-a-discussion-of-claudia-bushmans-mormonstories-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.janaremy.com\/pilgrimsteps\/2007\/06\/30\/whos-gonna-teach-us-to-tango-a-discussion-of-claudia-bushmans-mormonstories-interview\/","title":{"rendered":"Who\u2019s Gonna Teach Us to Tango?: A Discussion of Claudia Bushman&#8217;s MormonStories Interview"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a onblur=\"try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}\" href=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/__UOnyOrkWqs\/Rob8sf989jI\/AAAAAAAAAG8\/l0LA0rdzS5A\/s1600-h\/reynolds,+alice.gif\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;\" src=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/__UOnyOrkWqs\/Rob8sf989jI\/AAAAAAAAAG8\/l0LA0rdzS5A\/s320\/reynolds,+alice.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\"id=\"BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5082027070959973938\" \/><\/a><br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/mormonstories.org\/?p=286\">Mormon Stories # 058: Women and the LDS Church Part 4 \u2014 19th and Early 20th Century Mormon Women<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/mormonstories.org\/?p=291\">Mormon Stories # 059: Women and the LDS Church Part 5 \u2014 19th and Early 20th Century Mormon Women Part 2 <\/a><\/p>\n<p>Claudia Bushman shares more of her insights in this two-part series detailing the lives and experiences of Mormon women in the 19th and early 20th century.  Dr. Bushman speaks of ten women who have taken the time to record their life experiences, and as she paraphrases and quotes from each woman\u2019s story, Claudia adds contextual details to show why these stories are all significant.  Here\u2019s a list of the featured women:<\/p>\n<p>Part I<\/p>\n<p>1) <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lucy_Mack_Smith\"><span style=\"font-weight:bold;\">Lucy Mack Smith<\/span><\/a>, whose story gives great insight into the early life of the church and of the prophet Joseph Smith.  Lucy, Joseph\u2019s mother, mixes significant historical happenings with the mundane and comical experiences of daily life.  Claudia notes that those who want to read Lucy\u2019s words should seek out a copy of Lavina Fielding Anderson\u2019s most recent edition, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FLucys-Book-Critical-Smiths-Family%2Fdp%2F1560851376%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1183249848%26sr%3D8-1&#038;tag=pilgrimgirl-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325\">Lucy&#8217;s Book<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=pilgrimgirl-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important; margin:0px !important;\" \/>, as previous editions were often heavily edited to purge out some elements of the story (she adds that the editing was sometimes done in such a way that it vilified Emma, Joseph\u2019s first wife, and Lucy because they chose not to travel West with the Saints).<br \/>2) <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Emma_Hale_Smith\"><span style=\"font-weight:bold;\">Emma Smith<\/span>\u2019s<\/a> blessing just after Joseph went to Carthage Jail, which can be found reprinted in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FMormon-Enigma-Emma-Hale-Smith%2Fdp%2F0252062914%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1183249499%26sr%3D8-1&#038;tag=pilgrimgirl-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325\">Mormon Enigma<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=pilgrimgirl-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important; margin:0px !important;\" \/>.  Claudia explains that when Joseph was leaving for Carthage, Emma asked for a blessing at his hand.  He suggested that she write out her own blessing and he would sign it when he returned home.  Joseph was killed by a mob while in the Jail, so the blessing was never signed.  But it does offer great insight into the feelings of Emma towards her husband.  <br \/>3) <span style=\"font-weight:bold;\">Charlotte Hafen<\/span>, a Gentile wrote in 1843 about attending a party at Sidney Rigdon\u2019s house in Nauvoo.  We discover that this 9-hour long party included the tying of 5 quilts, an extensive meal, singing songs, and an original dance that started with marching and ended with kissing(!).<br \/>4) <span style=\"font-weight:bold;\">Mary Isabella Horne<\/span> writing about the challenges of living in the Salt Lake Valley during the early years\u2014living in a sod house and having to carry an umbrella indoors because of the mud coming down from the ceiling.<br \/>5) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.onlineutah.com\/historyshipp.shtml\"><span style=\"font-weight:bold;\">Ellis Reynolds Shipp<\/span><\/a>: plural wife, mother of several children, and medical doctor.  She went to medical school in the East despite a lack of enthusiasm about this career path from her husband.  Ellis became pregnant while home for the summer after her first year in med school and returned to school anyways, giving birth just after her exams.  Claudia speaks about the many Mormon career women in the Utah period, adding that there were more women doctors in the Utah region than anywhere else in the US.<\/p>\n<p>Part II<\/p>\n<p>6) <span style=\"font-weight:bold;\">Elizabeth Caine<\/span> (wife of a friend of the Mormons, Thomas Caine), writes as she travels by wagon from Salt Lake to St George and describes the homes that she visits along the way.  She found polygamy repulsive, especially when she saw on older man \u201cgoing down the generations to his grandchildren\u2019s time to seek a new partner\u2026while she who shared the joys and sorrows of his youth looks on, old and grey.\u201d  <br \/>7) Claudia\u2019s grandmother, <span style=\"font-weight:bold;\">Elizabeth Shupe Gordon<\/span> (1866-1896) gives an inspiring account of her conversion to the church, speaking of burning \u201celectric thrills\u201d that she felt each time she read from the Book of Mormon.<br \/>8) <a href=\"http:\/\/jfs.saintswithouthalos.com\/images\/one\/reynolds,%20alice%20l.htm\"><span style=\"font-weight:bold;\">Alice Louise Reynolds<\/span><\/a>: Prof of English &#038; Religion at BYU.  She was such a friend to everyone that a group of women decided to organize an Alice Louise Reynolds Club, and there were 15 chapters of this club in the 50s.  Never married, she spent her sabbaticals teaching at other universities and traveling.  <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Relief_Society\">Amy Brown Lyman<\/a> became her biographer, bio was published by ALR Clubs.<br \/>9) The Newberry-award winning author <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ldsfilm.com\/writers\/Virginia_Sorensen_Bio.html\"><span style=\"font-weight:bold;\">Virginia Sorensen<\/span><\/a>.[Note: she mentions Sorensen elsewhere in the podcast and doesn\u2019t discuss her much at this point].  Those who want to learn more about Mormon life in the early 20th century would enjoy reading <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FWhere-Nothing-Long-Ago-Childhood%2Fdp%2F1560851023%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1183251419%26sr%3D8-1&#038;tag=pilgrimgirl-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325\">Where Nothing is Long Ago<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=pilgrimgirl-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important; margin:0px !important;\" \/>, a collection of short stories  by Sorensen.<br \/>10) Historian <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Juanita_Brooks\"><span style=\"font-weight:bold;\">Juanita Brooks<\/span><\/a> was this very powerful intellectual who lived a fairly traditional life.  Claudia retells a humorous incident from Juanita\u2019s childhood and then discusses her work as a historian: she would always kept the ironing board up and had a basket of dampened clothes near her  desk and when someone came by she\u2019d start ironing so they\u2019d never know that she was really writing [note: this reminds me of the stories I\u2019ve read of Jane Austen hiding her writing under her needlework].  Brooks would travel on overnight buses to do research in Salt Lake or at the Huntington Library.<\/p>\n<p>The discussion ends with interviewer John Dehlin asking Claudia some general questions about women and religion.  Some interesting points in this section occur when Claudia decries those that leave the church.  She says, <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cLeaving the church is not any kind of an answer to a better life.  That\u2019s just like leaving something good for outer darkness.  It\u2019s just better to stick with the church and try and make something out of it.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>  Yet she also discusses how much the church has changed since she was younger, explaining that her grandchildren have told her that they\u2019ve \u201cnever had a happy experience at church.\u201d  Claudia says that her childhood and teen years in the church were joyful and happy and that the \u201cblock\u201d scheduling has destroyed much of the fun.  \u201cWho\u2019s gonna teach us to tango now?\u201d she asks as she reminisces about the tango dancing lesson she had annually in her ward.<\/p>\n<p>Claudia encourages women to make their own way in the church, organizing projects and special interest groups.  She says that those who are miserable in the church should write about their disaffection, leaving their thoughts for future generations. As she says at the beginning of Part I:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cIt\u2019s the people who write, who last.  If any woman out there has any inclination to to remembered in the future, the next few generations, she\u2019d just better get busy and write out her story, her experiences.\u201d <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight:bold;\">Some questions for those of you who listen to the podcast:<\/span><\/p>\n<p>1) Which the women she profiled were new to you?  Which of their writings\/stories did you find most compelling?<\/p>\n<p>2) How do you express your feelings about the church?  Do you write them down?  Do you expect or hope that someday someone (a Mormon historian, perhaps) will be using your words to tell about the condition of women in the church in the 21st century?  Do you see blogs as an accurate recording of the lives of contemporary LDS women?<\/p>\n<p>3) If you could organize a special project or interest group in your ward, what would it be?  Would you want to learn to tango?  \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-style:italic;\">Note: the photo above is of Alice Louise Reynolds.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Mormon Stories # 058: Women and the LDS Church Part 4 \u2014 19th and Early 20th Century Mormon Women Mormon Stories # 059: Women and the LDS Church Part 5 \u2014 19th and Early 20th Century Mormon Women Part 2 Claudia Bushman shares more of her insights in this two-part series detailing the lives and [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":5669,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9,19,16],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-998","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-lds","category-podcast","category-women"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Who\u2019s Gonna Teach Us to Tango?: A Discussion of Claudia Bushman&#039;s MormonStories Interview - 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